“I’m very popular—I realize that. At the end of punk rock, I realized that it was really just a marketing opportunity for people to do more product, but it was also a marketing opportunity for the idea of the free society. You know, ‘We’ve got rebels as well, so we’re free.’ That kind of thing. And I thought, ‘No, that’s not enough. We have to go much further, and ideas are what count.’ Forget the establishment. I’m not attacking the establishment. Of course, you do, politically—I still do—but I’m not interested in being against anything. I’m interested in discovering things…”